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	<title>Comments on: Why Consoles Are Stuck In The Era of The Dinosaurs?</title>
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		<title>By: Juuso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tech/graphicswise they do absolutely fine. it&#039;s great that I can buy one piece of machine and use it to get cool looking graphs for 6+ years. Ease of use and connectivity make &#039;em superior gaming machines.

...only the (some) lack of digital delivery is what I&#039;d need. 

I don&#039;t need new geforce every 6 months ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tech/graphicswise they do absolutely fine. it&#8217;s great that I can buy one piece of machine and use it to get cool looking graphs for 6+ years. Ease of use and connectivity make &#8216;em superior gaming machines.</p>
<p>&#8230;only the (some) lack of digital delivery is what I&#8217;d need. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need new geforce every 6 months ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Lumooja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lumooja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consoles were outdated a few days before they came on the market. The PS3 came on the market on Nov 11, 2006, but my nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS came on the market Nov 6, 2006.

This card is about 10 times more powerful than the PS3 or XBOX360, and still it&#039;s already 6 years old, and costs about $30 if you can still get it somewhere. So PC gaming has been always cheaper over time. You can&#039;t buy a PS3 for $30 today, and when both came out, the PS3 wasn&#039;t even much cheaper then, just about the same price.

The only thing which consoles keep over time, is their price. Their technology has been obsolete for over 6 years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consoles were outdated a few days before they came on the market. The PS3 came on the market on Nov 11, 2006, but my nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS came on the market Nov 6, 2006.</p>
<p>This card is about 10 times more powerful than the PS3 or XBOX360, and still it&#8217;s already 6 years old, and costs about $30 if you can still get it somewhere. So PC gaming has been always cheaper over time. You can&#8217;t buy a PS3 for $30 today, and when both came out, the PS3 wasn&#8217;t even much cheaper then, just about the same price.</p>
<p>The only thing which consoles keep over time, is their price. Their technology has been obsolete for over 6 years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Fili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m using a much simpler method: I buy the game and then crack it. This way I don&#039;t need the disk to play (and scratch), but I&#039;m not stealing the game either :) Best of the two worlds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m using a much simpler method: I buy the game and then crack it. This way I don&#8217;t need the disk to play (and scratch), but I&#8217;m not stealing the game either :) Best of the two worlds!</p>
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		<title>By: Juuso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 04:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Axe99: I want to add one crucial point: nowadays I really enjoy playing on console. My PS3. Now it&#039;s like 9+ experience to me. To get to the 10, it would need digital downloads.

I&#039;m so certain that bandwidth is much less expensive than shipping the things across the planet. I think it would make more money to publishers, but since I&#039;m not that familiar with the console world of publishing of games I cannot tell... who knows what kind of deals they do with shoppes and distributors.

Also, if they can do it for couple of big AAA games, how come they cannot do it for all big AAA games?

Also, I&#039;m not saying that digital download should replace completely physical media. I also like to collect for example movies. I just think that all games should be at least provided in digital format. 

Digital delivery has couple of issues:
- one is sharing the discs that you mentioned, that indeed is an issue
- being afraid that &quot;I cannot get my game if something bad happens&quot;

The first one won&#039;t be solved (and it&#039;s bad, but I think the benefits are greater). 

What comes to the second point: I&#039;m much more afraid that I scratch my discs. 

In almost everything else, digital format beats physical media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Axe99: I want to add one crucial point: nowadays I really enjoy playing on console. My PS3. Now it&#8217;s like 9+ experience to me. To get to the 10, it would need digital downloads.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so certain that bandwidth is much less expensive than shipping the things across the planet. I think it would make more money to publishers, but since I&#8217;m not that familiar with the console world of publishing of games I cannot tell&#8230; who knows what kind of deals they do with shoppes and distributors.</p>
<p>Also, if they can do it for couple of big AAA games, how come they cannot do it for all big AAA games?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not saying that digital download should replace completely physical media. I also like to collect for example movies. I just think that all games should be at least provided in digital format. </p>
<p>Digital delivery has couple of issues:<br />
- one is sharing the discs that you mentioned, that indeed is an issue<br />
- being afraid that &#8220;I cannot get my game if something bad happens&#8221;</p>
<p>The first one won&#8217;t be solved (and it&#8217;s bad, but I think the benefits are greater). </p>
<p>What comes to the second point: I&#8217;m much more afraid that I scratch my discs. </p>
<p>In almost everything else, digital format beats physical media.</p>
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		<title>By: asdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>asdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 02:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes you wish they actually were. Console these days have the charm of low end pc&#039;s. Even the brilliant plug and play
charater is gone. It not even original hardware anymore.
Back then; consoles &gt;pc. Now; Pc &gt; consoles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes you wish they actually were. Console these days have the charm of low end pc&#8217;s. Even the brilliant plug and play<br />
charater is gone. It not even original hardware anymore.<br />
Back then; consoles &gt;pc. Now; Pc &gt; consoles.</p>
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		<title>By: Axe99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprisingly, given your PC focus, your title for this article is misleading....

The PS3 (I can only speak for PS3 and PC) has some games available for full download (inFamous, LBP, SOCOM, Warhawk, Burnout Paradise), and a large range of other games available as well.  Given that full games are available for download, I suspect DRM isn&#039;t the main issue, and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if cost came into it somewhere - while it&#039;s tempting to think otherwise, both upload and download bandwidth isn&#039;t free.  For larger games (God of War III is upward of 30 gigs, for instance), I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the upload and server maintenance costs weren&#039;t comparable, if not more, than for purchasing at a bricks-and-mortar store. 

I also suspect that, outside of a few niche consumers, there isn&#039;t a huge demand there.  There are no file size limitations on the PSN - if EA want to make NHL 2010 available over the PSN, they can (like they did with Burnout Paradise).  There are some games on the PSN that were originally planned as retail releases and then became download only.  But its not the console holding back what&#039;s available, its the publishers.  Given that publishers want to make money, it&#039;s likely that they consider the costs to outweigh the benefits at this stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprisingly, given your PC focus, your title for this article is misleading&#8230;.</p>
<p>The PS3 (I can only speak for PS3 and PC) has some games available for full download (inFamous, LBP, SOCOM, Warhawk, Burnout Paradise), and a large range of other games available as well.  Given that full games are available for download, I suspect DRM isn&#8217;t the main issue, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if cost came into it somewhere &#8211; while it&#8217;s tempting to think otherwise, both upload and download bandwidth isn&#8217;t free.  For larger games (God of War III is upward of 30 gigs, for instance), I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the upload and server maintenance costs weren&#8217;t comparable, if not more, than for purchasing at a bricks-and-mortar store. </p>
<p>I also suspect that, outside of a few niche consumers, there isn&#8217;t a huge demand there.  There are no file size limitations on the PSN &#8211; if EA want to make NHL 2010 available over the PSN, they can (like they did with Burnout Paradise).  There are some games on the PSN that were originally planned as retail releases and then became download only.  But its not the console holding back what&#8217;s available, its the publishers.  Given that publishers want to make money, it&#8217;s likely that they consider the costs to outweigh the benefits at this stage.</p>
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		<title>By: asd</title>
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		<dc:creator>asd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alot of console players arent even connected to the internet, have slow internet, or have too small a harddrive for this.

hopefully sony will get smart next gen, why waste money on paying the discmakers and shitholes like gamestop?

note how i fail to mention ms or nintendo? theyre both screwed, ms has no 1st party studios left and nintendo devs are only familiar with making cartoon games on decade old hardware</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alot of console players arent even connected to the internet, have slow internet, or have too small a harddrive for this.</p>
<p>hopefully sony will get smart next gen, why waste money on paying the discmakers and shitholes like gamestop?</p>
<p>note how i fail to mention ms or nintendo? theyre both screwed, ms has no 1st party studios left and nintendo devs are only familiar with making cartoon games on decade old hardware</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerrac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, all games should have a digital download option. Even on consoles.

But, I still prefer having the disc for console games. Heck, even for most PC games. Why? Because then I can share it. I&#039;m not tied down to only the console (or account) I bought the game on, I can let my friend borrow it, it won&#039;t suddenly stop working because they no longer run the DRM authentication servers, etc.

Buying digitally, I&#039;d have to go pirate the game in order to be assured of my ability to play it years from now.

Sure, Steam and others promise to release patches if they ever shut down, but that&#039;s a promise easily broken. Reflexive Arcade made the same promise, and a while after Amazon bought them, they were shut down. Guess what? No patches. There were people who had spent hundreds of dollars on those games, who will no longer have what they paid for when they have to get a new computer.

So, yeah, digital downloads are great. But I dread the day when that&#039;s all we have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, all games should have a digital download option. Even on consoles.</p>
<p>But, I still prefer having the disc for console games. Heck, even for most PC games. Why? Because then I can share it. I&#8217;m not tied down to only the console (or account) I bought the game on, I can let my friend borrow it, it won&#8217;t suddenly stop working because they no longer run the DRM authentication servers, etc.</p>
<p>Buying digitally, I&#8217;d have to go pirate the game in order to be assured of my ability to play it years from now.</p>
<p>Sure, Steam and others promise to release patches if they ever shut down, but that&#8217;s a promise easily broken. Reflexive Arcade made the same promise, and a while after Amazon bought them, they were shut down. Guess what? No patches. There were people who had spent hundreds of dollars on those games, who will no longer have what they paid for when they have to get a new computer.</p>
<p>So, yeah, digital downloads are great. But I dread the day when that&#8217;s all we have.</p>
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		<title>By: Pathogen David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pathogen David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO: It&#039;s all DRM. The console people feel like they still have control if everything is a physical disk. (Of course, the many mod chips and hacks say otherwise.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO: It&#8217;s all DRM. The console people feel like they still have control if everything is a physical disk. (Of course, the many mod chips and hacks say otherwise.)</p>
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